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Rebirth and Elevator Speeches

Dharma doesn’t lend itself well to elevator speeches.

I used to work at a place that helped startup businesses. As part of the startup help, we would help develop the startup’s marketing, including something called the “elevator speech.” This meant that if someone asked what the business was about, the entrepreneur could explain the business briefly yet sufficiently in the time it would take for a short elevator ride.

When describing spirituality, like Yoga and Buddhism, we sometimes have the same concern. We want a quick and solid summary of tenets, beliefs and practices.

Oh sure, in regard to Buddhism, your elevator speech might step through the Fourfold Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path easy enough, but there are some conceptual thorns out there that can make an elevator speech spring leaks as quickly as a discount store air mattress.

One of these thorns is rebirth–also referred to as reincarnation. Buddhism seems like a pretty rational system until you hit the notion of dying and being reborn in some other form due to somehow transmitting your samskaras–volitional tendencies or karmic imprints–to a newborn life which could either be an animal, a buddha, a god or a hell being depending on the merits of your actions in the preceding life. I won’t even go into descriptions of Tibetan bardo states or the Tulku system of reincarnated spiritual masters.

In our world of scientific materialism all this is crazy talk. You might as well say you believe in some guy who turned water into wine or rose from the dead or something. For someone hearing about Buddhism for the first time, this is a stumbling block, an irrational deal breaker. Your elevator speech has tanked.

I’ve been known to avoid difficulty in my own elevator speech, ignoring some of what the Buddha actually said in the Pali Canon, and going with an explanation of rebirth offered by Stephen Batchelor in his book, Buddhism Without Beliefs: A Contemporary Guide to Awakening:

Regardless of what we believe, our actions will reverberate beyond our deaths. Irrespective of our personal survival, the legacy of our thoughts, words and deeds will continue through the impressions we leave behind in the lives of those we have we have influenced and touched in any way. (Batchelor, 38)

Whew! I’m back to rational causality. My elevator speech is back on track.

What I leave out of the elevator speech is that I believe that Batchelor’s description doesn’t go far enough (and in fairness to Batchelor, he also has a little more to say about the subject). It almost seems to have simplified rebirth to something like the impact that your favorite high school teacher had in your life. I believe Bhikkhu Bodhi captures the concept of rebirth better here:

To understand how kamma [karma] can produce its effects across the succession of rebirths we must invert our normal, everyday conception of the relationship between consciousness and matter. Under the influence of materialistic biases we assume that material existence is determinative of consciousness. Because we witness bodies being born into this world and observe how the mind matures in tandem with the body, we tacitly take the body to be the foundation of our existence and mind or consciousness an evolutionary offshoot of blind material processes. Matter wins the honored status of “objective reality,” and mind becomes an accidental intruder upon an inherently senseless universe.

From the Buddhist perspective, however, consciousness and the world coexist in a relationship of mutual creation which equally require both terms. Just as there can be no consciousness without a body to serve as its physical support and a world as its sphere of cognition, so there can be no physical organism and no world without some type of consciousness to constitute them as an organism and world. Though temporally neither mind nor matter can be regarded as prior to the other, in terms of practical importance the Buddha says that mind is the forerunner. Mind is the forerunner, not in the sense that it arises before the body or can exist independently of a physical substratum, but in the sense that the body and the world in which we find ourselves reflect our mental activity.

It is mental activity, in the form of volition, that constitutes kamma, and it is our stock of kamma that steers the stream of consciousness from the past life into a new body. (Bodhi, accesstoinsight.org)

Naturally, Bodhi, a great monk, makes a lousy entrepreneur. This small snippet of his elevator speech won’t do–elevator speeches prove insufficient for discussing Dharma. This is further complicated by the fact that the business of Dharma, after all, is one of impermanence. Honestly, you can’t sell this stuff. Not really.

  • http://www.buddhistcoach.net/ Alan Ashley / Jnanagarbha

    One of the points I like to make about rebirth, is that our understanding of what it might mean is messed up by the idea that we exist in the first place!

    We think of that there is something essential and unchanging about ourselves – something that is having our experience – call it a soul or a self or an ego. Then we have try to work out what happens to this soul/self/ego when the body stops working: does it stop? does it go to heaven or hell? does it pass to another body?

    Given this false premiss, we’ve got little chance of understanding what is meant by becoming (Skt. bhavana) and rebecoming (Skt. punarbhava). I’d argue that it’s pretty much impossible to have any understanding of what might happen after death, until we have at least done some serious reflection on what might be happening while we’re alive!

    Sadly, if you’re in an elevator and someone asks ‘what’s all this stuff about rebirth then?”, telling them that they fundamentally misunderstand the nature of their own experience isn’t going to clinch the deal.

    • Anonymous

      Thanks for the comment, Jnanagarbha. Naturally this post was something of an “elevator speech” in itself and didn’t cover several aspects of rebirth including that the Buddhist goal is to overcome it.

  • http://www.buddhistcoach.net Alan Ashley / Jnanagarbha

    One of the points I like to make about rebirth, is that our understanding of what it might mean is messed up by the idea that we exist in the first place!

    We think of that there is something essential and unchanging about ourselves – something that is having our experience – call it a soul or a self or an ego. Then we have try to work out what happens to this soul/self/ego when the body stops working: does it stop? does it go to heaven or hell? does it pass to another body?

    Given this false premiss, we’ve got little chance of understanding what is meant by becoming (Skt. bhavana) and rebecoming (Skt. punarbhava). I’d argue that it’s pretty much impossible to have any understanding of what might happen after death, until we have at least done some serious reflection on what might be happening while we’re alive!

    Sadly, if you’re in an elevator and someone asks ‘what’s all this stuff about rebirth then?”, telling them that they fundamentally misunderstand the nature of their own experience isn’t going to clinch the deal.

    • Matt Helmick

      Thanks for the comment, Jnanagarbha. Naturally this post was something of an “elevator speech” in itself and didn’t cover several aspects of rebirth including that the Buddhist goal is to overcome it.

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    According to His Holiness Maharaj Sahab (1861-1907), the 3rd Spiritual Head of Radha Soami Faith, “during satyayuga,………..in consequence of their greater spirituality and of the high purity of their heart, had no difficulty in getting access at times into the astral planes and holding communion with the departed spirits.” (Source: Discourses on Radhasoami Faith). Greater Spirituality as mentioned above is linked to the size of pineal gland. In Satyauga pineal gland was highly developed but in Kaliyuga the pineal gland is a rudimentary (undeveloped) organ. This is downward evolution of humankind. We should ascertain the period taken from highly developed pineal gland to undeveloped pineal gland. This will determine the Age of Human Existence on this Earth Planet. Other arguments, as I think, will not help much.
    In Bhagavad-Gita Lord SriKrishna says to Arjuna:
    “I taught this immortal Yoga to Vivasvan (sun-god), Vivasvan conveyed it to Manu(his son), and Manu imparted it to (his son) Iksvaku. Thus transmitted to succession from father to son, Arjuna, this Yoga remained known to the Rajarisis (royal sages). It has however long since disappeared from this earth. The same ancient Yoga has this day been imparted to you by Me, because you are My devotee and friend, and also because this is a supreme secret”.
    At this Arjuna said: You are of recent origin while the birth of Vivasvan dates back to remote antiquity. How, then, I am to believe that you taught this Yoga at the beginning of creation? Lord SriKrishna said: Arjuna, you and I have passed through many births. I remember them all, you do not remember.
    1. Radha Soami Faith was founded by His Holiness Param Purush Puran Dhani Huzur Soamiji Maharaj on the prayer of His Holiness Huzur Maharaj who later on became second Spiritual Head of Radha Soami Faith. The prime object of the Radha Soami Faith is the emancipation of all Jeevas (Souls) i.e. to take the entire force of consciousness to its original abode. There is a tradition of succession of Gurus or Spiritual Adepts in Radha Soami Faith. I am one of them as is evident from the following facts or ….
    “My most Revered Guru of my previous life His Holiness Maharaj Sahab, 3rd Spiritual Head of Radhasoami Faith had revealed this secret to me during trance like state.
    HE told me, “Tum Sarkar Sahab Ho” (You are Sarkar Sahab). Sarkar Sahab was one of the most beloved disciple of His Holiness Maharj Sahab. Sarkar Sahab later on became Fourth Spiritual Head of Radhasoami Faith.
    Since I don’t have any direct realization of it so I can not claim the extent of its correctness. But it seems to be correct. During my previous birth I wanted to sing the song of ‘Infinite’ (Agam Geet yeh gawan chahoon tumhri mauj nihara, mauj hoi to satguru soami karoon supanth vichara) but I could not do so then since I had to leave the mortal frame at a very early age. But through the unbounded Grace and Mercy of my most Revered Guru that desire of my past birth is being fulfilled now.”

  • Anirudh Kumar Satsangi

    According to His Holiness Maharaj Sahab (1861-1907), the 3rd Spiritual Head of Radha Soami Faith, “during satyayuga,………..in consequence of their greater spirituality and of the high purity of their heart, had no difficulty in getting access at times into the astral planes and holding communion with the departed spirits.” (Source: Discourses on Radhasoami Faith). Greater Spirituality as mentioned above is linked to the size of pineal gland. In Satyauga pineal gland was highly developed but in Kaliyuga the pineal gland is a rudimentary (undeveloped) organ. This is downward evolution of humankind. We should ascertain the period taken from highly developed pineal gland to undeveloped pineal gland. This will determine the Age of Human Existence on this Earth Planet. Other arguments, as I think, will not help much.
    In Bhagavad-Gita Lord SriKrishna says to Arjuna:
    “I taught this immortal Yoga to Vivasvan (sun-god), Vivasvan conveyed it to Manu(his son), and Manu imparted it to (his son) Iksvaku. Thus transmitted to succession from father to son, Arjuna, this Yoga remained known to the Rajarisis (royal sages). It has however long since disappeared from this earth. The same ancient Yoga has this day been imparted to you by Me, because you are My devotee and friend, and also because this is a supreme secret”.
    At this Arjuna said: You are of recent origin while the birth of Vivasvan dates back to remote antiquity. How, then, I am to believe that you taught this Yoga at the beginning of creation? Lord SriKrishna said: Arjuna, you and I have passed through many births. I remember them all, you do not remember.
    1. Radha Soami Faith was founded by His Holiness Param Purush Puran Dhani Huzur Soamiji Maharaj on the prayer of His Holiness Huzur Maharaj who later on became second Spiritual Head of Radha Soami Faith. The prime object of the Radha Soami Faith is the emancipation of all Jeevas (Souls) i.e. to take the entire force of consciousness to its original abode. There is a tradition of succession of Gurus or Spiritual Adepts in Radha Soami Faith. I am one of them as is evident from the following facts or ….
    “My most Revered Guru of my previous life His Holiness Maharaj Sahab, 3rd Spiritual Head of Radhasoami Faith had revealed this secret to me during trance like state.
    HE told me, “Tum Sarkar Sahab Ho” (You are Sarkar Sahab). Sarkar Sahab was one of the most beloved disciple of His Holiness Maharj Sahab. Sarkar Sahab later on became Fourth Spiritual Head of Radhasoami Faith.
    Since I don’t have any direct realization of it so I can not claim the extent of its correctness. But it seems to be correct. During my previous birth I wanted to sing the song of ‘Infinite’ (Agam Geet yeh gawan chahoon tumhri mauj nihara, mauj hoi to satguru soami karoon supanth vichara) but I could not do so then since I had to leave the mortal frame at a very early age. But through the unbounded Grace and Mercy of my most Revered Guru that desire of my past birth is being fulfilled now.”

  • http://www.buddhistcoach.net/ Alan Ashley / Jnanagarbha

    Good point Matt!

    It really doesn’t make any sense to try to understand the Buddhist teachings on rebirth outside the context of the quest for Enlightenment.

    One thing my teacher points out, is that although there have been different perspectives on rebirth in different Buddhist schools, none of them have ever refuted the teaching of rebirth. Considering how strongly polarised much Buddhist dialectic has been through the ages, this is quite a significant point.

    Maybe the best question to ask is not “are the teaching on rebirth scientifically accurate?”, but something more like “what are these teachings pointing to that can help me to develop greater compassion and wisdom?”

  • http://www.buddhistcoach.net Alan Ashley / Jnanagarbha

    Good point Matt!

    It really doesn’t make any sense to try to understand the Buddhist teachings on rebirth outside the context of the quest for Enlightenment.

    One thing my teacher points out, is that although there have been different perspectives on rebirth in different Buddhist schools, none of them have ever refuted the teaching of rebirth. Considering how strongly polarised much Buddhist dialectic has been through the ages, this is quite a significant point.

    Maybe the best question to ask is not “are the teaching on rebirth scientifically accurate?”, but something more like “what are these teachings pointing to that can help me to develop greater compassion and wisdom?”

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